It is Obvious

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Two stones with one bird

Posted by chrisrick13 on March 13, 2016

It is obvious: there is a silver lining to every cloud

I just heard results of a poll today.  After the last UK general election we all know how good they are.

It polled that the majority of the people living in Scotland would vote to leave the union if the UK voted to leave the EU.

What a golden opportunity.  Rid of both at one go!

I’m English.  Grudgingly, I am British (though I didn’t used to be when I was naive).  Very reluctantly I am European.

It is obvious: there is a silver lining to every cloud – looks like rain today

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5 Responses to “Two stones with one bird”

  1. Voice of Reason said

    We joined the Common Market (ie a free Trade area) and, without much consultation, this has morphed into a crusade towards European political union. This union being dominated by Germany and to a lesser extent France. I note that almost 100% of the benefits that David C makes are benefits of the Common Market and little is said about the benefits of the political side of things – if there are any.

    I wonder how welcomed the migrates would be in places like Germany if they weren’t also an even cheaper source of labour than the old Eastern Block? To my (admittedly jaded) opinion the EU seems to be run to the benefit of Big Business and the exploitation of the largest cheap labour markets they can find. I note that when employers come on TV to support the EU they cite the fact that they can’t get British workers to do the jobs they need done. However, what they don’t do is complete the sentance: They can’t get British wokers to do the jobs – For the low rates of pay that they are prepared to offer. Needless to say that these employers rather like the high profits that such labour generates and I’m sure that the widening gap between rich and poor can be attibuted to major extent to this divide. I’m sure that they will be funding the ‘Stay In’ campaign and the TV watching masses will eventually vote in favour.

  2. Mark said

    That doesn’t work very well. Say UK leaves the EU, then Scotland leaves the UK and joins the EU.

    EU citizens travel to scotland then comes across the unenforcable land border into England. Absolutely nothing England could do about it.

    The main reason I’m a euro-sceptic-sceptic is that I don’t believe the perceived benefits of leaving are real-world achievable.

    • Doesn’t work like that. UK leaves EU. Takes a good few years for that to happen. (In the meantime EU crashes and burns.) Scotland gets out of UK – let the English vote this time to ensure it happens. Scotland starts the application to join EU. Takes maybe 10 years but does not happen anyway as Spain will not let it in to create a precedent with Gibraltar. Meanwhile UK stops subidising Scotland and gets a few billion every year for doing that. Win-win!

      Plenty of time to resurrect Hadrians wall. However I’m not against immigration. It won’t be a problem. IF and a big IF UK out EU and Scotland out UK then in EU then illegal migrants crossing the Scottish border wil be found in large numbers and dragged back to Scotland. Enough to deter immigrants and enough to deter Scotland…which will be flat broke. As will England for different reasons.

      What I would observe, in common with all proponents of ‘IN’, you have negative for getting out but a lack of positive for staying in. Start with one really good reason to stay in that gives concrete, tangible, provable benefits. The ‘OUT’ people have not really given me any. Trouble is I don’t need them. I want the laws in this country made by the people who live in this country and not unelected foreigners living in another country. Does it for me every time!

    • Doesn’t happen like that! Who said that the land border is unenforcible? Or maybe, prove to me it is. You have to get to Scotland and the North Sea is a different beast to the Mediterranean. Anyone gets to Scotland legally will stay there because the threat is that the UK will do something bad to them if they are caught in the UK. The Scots will not like that. Bedides, the border force and building the wall will provide a boost to GDP and employment! I think that the ‘problem’ will be negotiated away before it becomes a problem anyway. Three benefits that are 100% are: 1) our net contributions to the EU are not paid 2) the increased price of food due to EU regulations and tariffs goes 3) we make our own laws not appointed foreigners in another country. Now give me 3 benefits of staying in the EU.

  3. Mark said

    I’m finding it hard to tell if you mean what you’re writing or just fermenting discussion.

    > Plenty of time to resurrect Hadrians wall. However I’m not against immigration. It won’t be a problem. IF and a big IF UK out EU and
    > Scotland out UK then in EU then illegal migrants crossing the Scottish border wil be found in large numbers and dragged back to
    > Scotland. Enough to deter immigrants and enough to deter Scotland…which will be flat broke. As will England for different reasons

    Surely every sentiment there is absurd. So I don’t accept that’s what you mean.

    Could you be missing the point on In/Out. The EU exists and is present and powerful (and flawed). The decision is which is the lesser of evils. I think the lesser evil is In.

    Utterly pointless to dream of 1950’s days of glory and empire. Leaving the EU won’t restore that.

    NATO says In.
    O’Bama says In
    Non-Democrat US Generals say In.
    Putin says Out.

    In general, it appears to be the swivel-eyed loons that are backing Out.

    Anyone who speaks for In is mindlessly (AFAICS) denounced as Project Fear, whatever the merits of their arguement.

    Despite what it may seem, I am somewhat undecided but am being very much put off Out but the idiotic lines of reason being deployed.

    UK is a member of an international community, not Britain Rules the Waves. Regardless of EU membership. Trade, military, in so many ways we share (or ‘give up’, in a negative connotation) national power.

    In doesn’t need to be streets paved with gold, it just needs to be better than Out.

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